Thursday, December 06, 2007

Customer Service: Chapter #3 - AVOID Primus Home Phone!

Boy, do I wish I had been anywhere other than at home one fateful night about three weeks ago. I was watching television, minding my own business when I answered the telephone. Boy, do I miss the sound of a ringing home phone, but more on that later! My caller ID told me that it was an 800 number with an unknown name.

Maybe it was Ed McMahon calling to tell me I had won a million dollars. Nope. It was Primus. I was a Primus (formerly known as Magma Communications) customer for over ten years, so I figured I'd talk to the guy.

Magma Communications became my internet provider in early 1997, at first through a dial-up line and eventually through a very good high speed service. When I needed to downgrade for eighteen months when my wife-to-be moved to Ottawa burdened with a punitive Bell Sympatico contract, they allowed me to maintain my e-mail address while we both waited to get Magma High Speed back in my homestead by temporarily downgrading my service. Anytime I needed anything, Magma was there.

Then Mr. Byers sold his company to Primus. Magma was becoming a part of a nation-wide company. At first, I was afraid that the locally-owned company would degenerate into a one with spotty or questionable customer service like Rogers and Bell seemed to have at the time. While this pair of giants has continually worked on its customer service offerings, it still lagged behind Magma. Would Primus drag Magma down to the other national competitors' level?

For the longest time, I'd have to say that it didn't. To this day, I am still the proud owner of a "magma.ca" e-mail address with no danger of losing it any time soon. Given that I haven't yet been disappointed by Primus, I figured that I'd take advantage of their offer to provide home phone service at a 25% discount. Better to have the money in my pocket rather than theirs.

A week or two passed and one day I discovered that a voicemail had been left for me by Primus. It informed me that my line would be converted from Bell to Primus on Monday, December 3rd. It cautioned me that if I ordered "personalized voicemail", I should be ready to spring into action that afternoon and "set it up" as soon as possible. I was also assured that the transition would be seamless.

That couldn't have been further from the truth. Problems began while I was away at work. When I got home some time around six, I picked up the phone. SILENCE. For almost thirty years, each time I've picked up a phone receiver I heard a dial tone. Not this time. What happened to the seamless transition? I'd soon learn that seamless couldn't be diametrically opposed to what I actually would experience in the days to come.

Figuring that the "transition" was in progress, I eventually went to bed hoping to hear the reassuring sound of a dial tone the next morning. Much to my chagrin, none was to be found. Off to work I went, eagerly anticipating the resolution of the situation after a call to the "customer service" department.

I could go on and on about how the conversations went on Tuesday, but let us say that I was promised a swift resolution to the problem at hand. Three conversations later I was told that due to whatever complication, I could expect to get my service activated (I'd say restored) within 24-48 hours.

Wednesday morning came and no dial tone was to be found. A handy supervisor named Kelly tried to help me by assuring me that the predicament had been brought to the "executives" at 6am. Whether that was supposed to impress me or not, I'll never know. By noon, no change. At about 5pm, I called and reached another person who tried to tell me that service could be back within 24-48 hours. I loved the revolving window idea... but it didn't help me any. When I expressed my disgust for what had transpired to that point and complained that I'd been promised updates and had never received one call, he insisted that they did try. Maybe they tried the very home phone number that they disabled, but the number they should have tried was my cell phone. Verification of my call log confirms that no call had been placed. Please don't lie to me, folks!

I got home late on Wednesday night and the first thing I did was try the phone. No dial tone. Day three has come and gone and the "seamless" transition had a hole in it bigger than Larry O'Brien "zero means zero" plans.

Thursday morning came along and, surprise, no dial tone! I placed yet another call to yet another "customer service" staff member. This person was able to tell me that the case had just been forwarded to Bell Canada. Why it took them three full days and change to do that, I'll never know. When this person told me that it could take 24-48 hours to resolve this newest tribulation, I went ballistic as kindly as I could.

What really gets me is had I known what a couple friends would have told me about switching to Primus before speaking to the sales guy on that fateful evening, I would have stayed miles away from them and would have hung up the phone (while it still worked!!!) That is why I am writing this today.

When will I get phone service? Who knows! 48 hours from now takes me to Saturday morning. Stay tuned!

UPDATE: I received a call at 11:27am from someone at Primus who did not identify herself. She told me that my service had just been activated. Either Bell Canada is really quick or they fed me yet another line to keep me at bay for a few more hours. I dialed my home number and discovered that the old Bell voicemail message was gone, so it seems that the lady might be right. Do I have service? I'll see when I get home. The challenge will be to find a dial tone AND a working DSL connection. Is it too much to expect that the four day journey might be over? I'll find out in an hour or so. But regardless, if they phone you, DON'T SWITCH TO PRIMUS!!! It's not worth the aggravation.

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At 11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, you know how much aggravation it takes for *me* to call in and complain about anything, but after a conversation with a Primus representative who was obnoxious, rude and extraordinarily pushy, I (yes, *I*) called in and let Primus know in no uncertain terms that I wouldn't switch to them if they were the last provider on Earth. I'd go with messenger pigeons first.

 
At 3:16 AM, Blogger Jay said...

I love that you "kindly" went ballistic.
That's so Canadian.

 
At 3:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the letter I just sent to the CEO of Primus Canada. They really are a scam outfit.
January 31, 2008

Edmund Chislett, President of Primus Canada
PRIMUS HEADQUARTERS
5343 Dundas St. West, Suite 600
Etobicoke, ON M9B 6K5

RE: Primus Account No.:
Mr. Chislett:
Primus ethics policy states: “It is the policy of Primus to promote high standards of integrity by conducting its affairs in an honest and ethical manner. The integrity and reputation of Primus depends on the honesty, fairness and integrity brought to the job by each person associated with Primus.” Is this pabulum for the masses or just a cynical take on how to scam customers by pulling the wool over their eyes?

I am asking this question because, like credit card companies, it’s the telephone company policy small print that really gets in the way. Primus had approached me some months ago to solicit my business quite aggressively. I was quoted what seemed to be a fair rate to Western Europe by your sales department, and I accepted. I have been receiving my Primus telephone bills by email for the last few months. This is because, right from the beginning, it has not been easy receiving my printed bills from Primus in an honest, fair and timely fashion. I naively thought that I could rely on Primus to do the right thing and, at least, email me my bills in a timely fashion. Oh, how wrong I was.

This morning I was rather alarmed that I had not received my monthly email bill from Primus. So, being the good customer that I am, I called Primus and I paid my bill by Visa, Confirmation Number:. I then called Primus back and asked when I was receiving my bill. I was told that it went out on January 27, 2008. I asked the gentleman I was dealing with (I could not determine his name) why I had not received it after four days in the ether. He insisted that Primus had sent it and that it wasn’t their fault. I checked my AOL account, including spam mail, while he was on the phone. I had received nothing. AOL policy seeks to inform you immediately if they cannot deliver an email to you or if they have to return it. I received no such notification. And I had received no Primus email. I asked to speak to a supervisor. This man kept me on hold for thirty minutes and then cut me off. I was very annoyed. What terrible customer service. Would you like to be treated like that by Primus or any other company, Mr. Chislett?

I then called back and spoke to a young man named Nickhel, and he offered to email me my bill – but charge me $25.00 for doing so! Apparently he insisted that this is Primus policy. I asked to again speak to a supervisor. I eventually talked to Jennifer, a supervisor who was quite unmoved. It seems there is a sucker born every minute. She told me she could email me the bill again but I would be charged this ridiculous $25.00. This for a bill I had never seen and, to add insult to injury, after I had been nice enough to pay it first without even seeing the bill. She insisted this was Primus policy. She told me I could register with ePrimus online and pay there and look at bills. I wanted to do no such thing. I just wanted my email bill. She told me I should look at their rules and regulations. What horrible customer relations. Really, Mr. Chislett, what potential customer interested in securing a good telephone rate would even bother to sign up with a company if they knew, quite out in the open, that this company was going to charge them $25.00 to email a duplicate email bill? Is this how Primus subsidizes its low telephone rates by charging unnecessary and extortionate fees from its clients, justified by burying them in fine print amongst your rules and regulations? I am so shocked and appalled that I felt that I had to go to the top. You are responsible for what goes on at Primus. Would you like to be treated this way by Primus or any other company, Mr. Chislett?

You know, if it sounds like a scam, and smells like a scam – then it is a scam. It’s just too convenient for Primus to tell you that they emailed you a bill and make no attempt to prove it. But I can prove I didn’t receive it. And to rip someone off because they haven’t received their bill – haven’t even seen it and actually paid for because it seemed like the right thing to do - and then charge for a duplicate - $25.00 – is just outrageous. If Primus can do this to me, then Primus can do this to others. What is to prevent Primus doing this systematically to many customers every few months? No matter, Primus can just con them and then move on to the next suckers. It’s quite a scheme, if people lie down and take it. Would you like to be treated like that by Primus or any other company, Mr. Chislett?

Primus may be a big and busy corporation, and it may seem easy to bilk a little fish like me, and then move on to the other little fishes in the world and rip them off too. Loyalty and being a good customer apparently mean nothing to Primus. I am expected to melt away into the woodwork like a good little fish and just accept that I have been ripped off. I have not seen my bill, I don’t know what I paid for, but I will be damned if I will let this stand. My company is not called (name removed) for nothing. I will lodge a complaint with the CRTC about this, of course. I am going to let my friends in the USA and Canada, my acquaintances and people far and wide, throughout Europe, Australasia and the Middle East understand that they should not to do business with an outfit like Primus Telecommunications that is very obviously out to cheat us. I am thoroughly disgusted. Primus doesn’t care about fairness and honesty, and no company can really succeed indefinitely without the goodwill of their customers. That is how the whole thing seems to me. Would you like to be treated like this by Primus or any other company, Mr. Chislett?

So, I ask you again, Mr. Chislett, do you believe in your ethics policy and then feel quite okay about sanctioning the treatment of a customer like this? Is this the right way to treat ANY human being? Would you like to be treated in this fashion by Primus or any other company, Mr. Chislett?

Yours disgustedly,
Larry
Cc: The Canadian Radio-Television And Telecommunications Commission, (CRTC)
The Honourable Dalton McGuinty, Premier of Ontario
The Honourable David C. Onley, O.Ont., Lieutenant Governor of Ontario
Ted McMeekin, Minister of Government & Consumer Services
The Honourable Ida Chong, Minister of Community Services, BC
Gordon Campbell, Premier of British Columbia,
Honourable Kevin Falcon, Minister of Transportation
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At 4:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate primus! never use them! unless you want to sit on hold and deal with untrained staff in their customer service as I am doing right now. Its endless waste of time.

 
At 9:46 PM, Blogger Misanthrope said...

Thank you so much.I thought Telus was bad so was interested in checking out Primus.Their promotional package seemed quite attractive.
Now I don't have to go to their site and waste time purusing their "deals" expecting quality service and savings.
There is none.
Maybe I'll wait until they up the offer with a sea side resort vacation package in Arizona.

 
At 4:58 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Primus is absolutley the most incompetent and abusive provider I have EVER had the misfortune to have to deal with in my 30 years on planet earth.
We had service for less than a week when I cancelled because they said they couldn’t transfer our service to the new house we moved to (in the same neighbourhood) for 25 business days!!!! No phone or internet for over a month..not even an apology and they still wanted to charge us for the basic service charges….incredible.
After trying to cancel our service I had to be on the phone 6 times for 30-45 minutes on hold each time to finally get the service cancelled, and still they sent us automated bills to be deducted from our credit card. Finally the credit card company had to cancel our card and issue us a new number.
If I ran my business like this I would be out of business in no time. It is a mystery at this point how they are still running.
Even the call center had terrible connection to some dudes in India that had less than a clue about what they were doing. No offices in canada outside of Ontario…..vigilanty justice is the only way forward with these folks I think.

 
At 7:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: Primus Triple Value Bundle Rip Off

http://www.primustel.ca/en/residential/bundle/bundledServices-tripleValueBundle-g.htm

The above web address carries an ad as listed below

Save over $49 a month! Let's compare:
Primus Bell Rogers
Home Phone
Calling Features
High Speed Internet (7Mbps, not Lite)
Unlimited Long Distance (Can/U.S.) Included
18
Included
Included $40.94
5
$42.94
$24.95 $42.17
6
$47.95
$19.95
Network Charge $0 $5.95 $5.95
Total $64.95 $111.79 $107.03†
Monthly Savings with Primus Triple Value Bundle $49.84 $42.08

I signed up for this service after checking the availability etc with postal code for the service listed at $64.95 and received a confirmation as follows:-

“We are pleased to confirm that your order for Home Phone service shows
completed as of November 7. Please let us know if you are experiencing any
difficulty, however.”

Interesting enough I get my first bill in December at 84.95 per month, an e-mail, two customer service reps and a supervisor Celine ticket# 2204873 on Dec 10 2008 questioning the discrepancy was answered with absolute nonsense, rhetoric and an explanation that the site has a technical difficulty and the $64.95 offer was incorrect, I did advise them that the site processed the information and order after a postal code verification.

What is interesting is that I have been on this site two weeks prior to Nov 07 2008 with this so called better deal than Bell & Rogers however it is unknown to me how long they have been running this scam. Oct to Dec with a technical difficulty on their web site for customers to sign up for a price that is changed on their fist bill is criminal, it is hard to believe that the competition and the regulatory agencies in Ontario actually allows this type of business practice to go on.

Note I was fully aware of the fine print and the one year contract clause was only taken into account after I advised them and was then offered it at $74.95, a further discount of $5/- was offered by Celine if I accepted it, as if they were doing me a favour I advised her that was not the contractual obligation I signed up on the web site and that it is false advertising & illegal in Ontario to conduct business in that fashion, note had I acknowledged the $5/- discount offered by Celine that would be an acceptance (Variance) to the contract to which I signed on the web site smart little trick to pull on unsuspecting customers. One has to wonder how many customers are stolen away by Primus from their competition by this type of sleazy business practice.

This is not acceptable in any shape or form not withstanding all the other customers that have fallen victim to this outrageous practice.

Redress is not only warranted but demanded from this unscrupulous business practice

David Schokman

Cc: Commissioner for Complaints for Telecommunications Services
Better Business Bureaus in Ontario
Bell Canada
Rogers

 
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At 2:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 10:56 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

All these resellers simply buy time on the major networks such as Bell as mandated by the CRTC. The equipment they actually own are switches placed in Bell Canada buildings ( as directed by the CRTC).They have no investment whatsoever in outside plant and infrastructure.It would compare to a Canadian Tire Store cutting keys in a Home Depot. I can imagine that the host store wouldn't like it much. They buy time and trunks at a discounted as mandated by the CRTC so they can make a profit and be competitive with the major telco's but the reliability and clarity they hype has nothing to do with them and everything to do with the incumbent telco's.You're paying for their administration or lack of and that's all.Dialtone,DSL etc. are all owned and maintained by the major telco's.Just letting anyone that thinks these resellers are real telephone companies know the facts.

 
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At 5:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well mike i have looked over your account and the issues that happened but also the recordings of you being as ass the customer service.

 
At 6:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

David schokman said...

Re: Primus Triple Value Bundle Rip Off

Hi there David stupid of you to put your account info on line as that ticket # that you provided gave me all i need.
May be you should learn how to read
http://www.primustel.ca/en/residential/legal/termsofuse.html

And if you would have read the terms instead of just clicking accept you may have seen that it states "Prices and bundle offering may vary depending on service availability"

And further more if you check on the web site with your postal it states that it's the 74.95 tvb 1 year so not sure where your seeing this and or what your smoking lol but please to be sure b4 putting your name on a pointless web site thing of what can be held agenst you by reading first.

I speak to customers like you everyday. Everyday there is someone out here that calls in about the pricing and you know what it turns out they just can't read the fine print. it's on the web site and it's not written in small righting, it there for you all to read but you just don't.

as for people that call about service being suspended
al i have to say is pay your bill and it will not happen. plan and simple




have a good day

 
At 1:39 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

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At 12:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This phone company is a horrible despicable vile obnoxious evil US corporation that will rip you off at every opportunity, bug you incessantly at home with marketing calls and 'urgent' billing calls. Their CSRs are useless morons. Avoid them at all cost. Never ever deal with this horrible horrible company - that's my advice. I wish I had never used them. I cancelled my home from number from Bell just to get them out of my life. This company is worse than finding a poisonous snake in your bed.

 
At 6:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well let me think. Hmmm... Primus billed us for the wireless router, not once, not even twice, not even three times, nope they billed us four times. Oh, and then they interrupted our phone and internet service because it wasn't paid. Oh and it gets better. They charged us 90 dollars because apparently, according to them, our home phone was not working for two weeks and they sent out a technician, but we weren't home. Somehow the technician got the phone working without entering our premises. Sounds fishy? Well it should. This company is a scam, they're billing practices are beyond questionable, they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. They have no ethics, apparently no supervisors either, and I will absolutely never recommend or do business with this company ever again!

 
At 12:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Switch to continental Telecom. Their customer service staff are so helpfull and polite.
Their line Rental is only £9.99 a month and calls cost 1.5p/minute.
www.continentaltelecom.co.uk

 
At 11:46 AM, Blogger PJ said...

Thank you thank you thank you!

I almost chose Primus (here in the U.K.) as they have supposedly wone some "award" and their reconnection fee is apparently cheaper than British Telecom's rip-off almost £130 charge (all I want is a frigging phone line!) but I googled "primus scam" first (hint - do this with ANY company you intend to sign up with. The internet is great for finding out what a company is REALLY like) and have avoided wasting money!

Thank you from England!

 
At 8:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We received a phone bill from Primus for $104. We never requested their services. I am wondering how they got our phone number? Our telephone service is from Rogers. I am currently arguing via email with the customer service representatives that bare no last name. I am telling them that there is no agreement and therefore no contract with them. They insist that they sent us letters in the fall of 2010 stating that our telephone services migrated over. I told them that, that can't happen as I never agreed to it and I told them I am not paying them anything.
They told me that they are going to disconnect my phone line, it's still not diconnected. Is this legal? I don't think it is. I never agreed to services with them. Please comment.

Mel (Stoney Creek, Ontario)

 
At 5:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Too Mel Stony Creek May 7 2011
I got the transfer letter from rogers/primus. Phoned and said I want to use Telus / csr said ok no bill will be issued. I phoned back to Telus to give them the info I got from Primus they said no problem.
Telus phones me back and says rogers/primus won't release the no.s. I paid the bill for 2 billing periods,Apr. 11th to 15th and april 15 too may 15
As of april 29 2011 I have no dial tone.
I've had one phone no. since before we changed to dial telephones and my other no. for more than 15 years.
I havent recieved a bill from Telus YET.
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At 2:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry about your problems I have been with primus for3 years..no problems...calld when a bad storm blew everthing out...the guy on the tec end was great..guess u had a bad rep...and they r in every company...just look at our goverment..they r worse...as far as price...better than bell,or heven forbid rodgers..they like to double dip.

 
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